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  • Comment by Perry Granberry — May 10, 2011 @ 8:03 pm

    How desperate we are for “humour”! My favourite comment of all this lot, is the guy who said: “Who’s Rob Bell, I don’t get it?”
    (And this does point out that we think it is funny…..only if we “get it” ! I find a certain extra-arrogance and smugness in the sort of things, along this line that Catholic “christians” find that there is something to “get”, i.e. in this case, being aware that Rob Bell wrote a book, with which most folks (Christian folks..) disagree.
    I do also often see that the same group is often amused at the foibles of their own clergy. There were some good points made, once the comments drifted away from the beginning point of the thread.
    ADMITTEDLY, I AM TAKING OUT A LITTLE FRUSTRATION HERE WITH THE LACK OF UNITY , WE BELIEVERS AND FOLLOWERS OF JESUS, THE CHRIST, HAVE ! AND WHEN I SAY UNITY, I MEAN UNITY IN THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL: MEANING GOOD NEWS….”NEWS” A REAL CHANGE ; SO GOOD CHANGE AS IN A SHIFT FROM THE OLD (covenant) to the NEW Covenant! Shalom!

  • Comment by Perry — May 10, 2011 @ 8:10 pm

    That being said, I do like the SS, as it is my first visit! And being a Chesterton fan, I do like this which was shared…..

    “What we suffer from today is humility in the wrong place. Modesty has moved from the organ of ambition. Modesty has settled upon the organ of conviction; where it was never meant to be. A man was meant to be doubtful about himself, but undoubting about the truth; this has been exactly reversed. Nowadays the part of a man that a man does assert is exactly the part he ought not to assert – himself. The part he doubts is exactly the part he ought not to doubt – the Divine Reason . . . . We are on the road to producing a race of man too mentally modest to believe in the multiplication table.” (G.K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy, 1908)” by Angus, I believe, thanks.

  • Comment by Todd — May 11, 2011 @ 9:14 am

    What really amuses me the most about this is how instead of praying for Rob Bell we ridicule him instead.

  • Comment by Tater2000 — May 11, 2011 @ 11:06 am

    Quote: “ADMITTEDLY, I AM TAKING OUT A LITTLE FRUSTRATION HERE WITH THE LACK OF UNITY , WE BELIEVERS AND FOLLOWERS OF JESUS, THE CHRIST, HAVE ! AND WHEN I SAY UNITY, I MEAN UNITY IN THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL: MEANING GOOD NEWS….”NEWS” A REAL CHANGE ; SO GOOD CHANGE AS IN A SHIFT FROM THE OLD (covenant) to the NEW Covenant! Shalom!”

    “Unity”? With someone who says the death of Christ was useless? What was the death of Christ if EVERYBODY winds up in heaven anyway? What did Jesus die for then?
    Writing a blasphemy that teaches everybody goes to heaven with or without Christ’s death attoning for them ENEMY of the gospel not united with it.
    The Bible says to NOT unite with those who reject the salvation of Christ’s death.

    2Corinthians 6:14-17
    14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
    15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?
    16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.”
    17 Therefore “Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.”

    Keep your “change”.
    I’m sticking with the solid Rock and obeying God in calling out heresy to it’s face.

    2 Timothy 4:2-4
    2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, REBUKE, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
    3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
    4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. ”

    Just doing my job.

    Quote: Comment by Todd — May 11, 2011 @ 9:14 am
    What really amuses me the most about this is how instead of praying for Rob Bell we ridicule him instead.

    Pray for him to do what?

  • Comment by Denise Smith — June 6, 2011 @ 11:15 am

    Why do we assume the cartoonist was parodying a quote from Rob Bell? Can we know this for sure? Really?

  • Comment by Keith — June 6, 2011 @ 1:14 pm

    Tater2000,

    Just for the record, I am not a universalist, have never met Rob Bell, and don’t feel the need to defend either. But while defending the faith we shouldn’t mischaracterize the other side’s position. Universalism (at least the Christian variety) does NOT teach the death of Christ was “useless” as you put it. The Armenian, universalist, and Calvinist positions all have the utmost regard for it. All sides affirm that it it because and only because of the death of Christ that we can be reconciled to God.

    The difference is (almost) solely this:
    * The Calvinist says “On the merits of Christ certain specific individual are chosen by God with (ultimately) their knowledge and participation in the matter;”
    * The Armenian says “On the merits of Christ the individual chooses God (necessitating their knowledge and participation in the matter);” and
    * The Universalist says “On the merits of Christ ALL individuals are chosen by God (with or without their knowledge or participation in the matter).”

  • Comment by Bill — June 19, 2011 @ 7:46 pm

    Enjoyed the comics. Rob Bell is my pastor, and I bet even he would enjoy your parodies.

  • Comment by Paula — June 19, 2011 @ 9:13 pm

    I’m sorry Bill.

  • Comment by Paula — June 19, 2011 @ 9:15 pm

    Todd: Rob Bell has been rebuked enough. He’s clearly not interested in learning.

    Plenty of ridicule of false teachers and ridiculous theories set up against the knowledge of God as examples in Scripture.

  • Comment by Bill — June 20, 2011 @ 5:05 pm

    He is indeed learning. And teaching. As such, there are many who are grateful.

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  • Comment by Jeffrey — September 27, 2011 @ 4:16 pm

    I know I’m joining the party late but I recently had the opportunity to read Bell’s book Love wins. While there are some ideas that he expresses with which i feel uncomfortable I was struck by how different the message of the the book was from some of the reviews I had read. I think he actually asks some very good questions (Really do we know this for sure? among others). The main thing i noticed is that he isn’t preaching a universalist message. I don’t know exactly what to call it but is is much more orthodox than some of the critical reviewers might make us believe.

  • Comment by Adam Cummings — October 17, 2011 @ 12:13 pm

    Mark Driscoll is right behind him doctrinally… *Dodges reformed apples* [Important note: I am a fellow Calvinist, but to me these guys are all the “hip, cool, let’s flex our muscle and flashy books” type of guys. You’ve seen one, you’ve seen ’em all.]

  • Comment by Eric — May 29, 2012 @ 1:04 pm

    Aren’t we getting ahead of ourselves?

    I don’t think Osama bin Laden, nor any other sinner is in Hell… yet. It remains vacant. The assignment to Hell/Lake of Fire does not occur until the Great White Throne judgment in Revelation 20, which I think all orthodox Biblical believers is yet future from us.

    Osama would be in Hades at this point, ya?

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