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  • Comment by Bereanwarrior — January 13, 2012 @ 3:17 am

    Hello Anne.

    I wish I would have visited your blog site before now. I’m going to make a few whiplash points here, and then sum up what I’m hoping for.

    I absolutely cannot fathom the pain you’ve been through, but the answer to it all is not that God is our cosmic pep-talking cheer-leader who has our picture on His refrigerator.

    Follow me here… God is most assuredly a God of love without a doubt. BUT God is ALSO a God of wrath, and His wrath is perfectly just. While it is true that God desires that nobody would perish, His perfect justice demands such a punishment for sin which is condemnation to hell. He is glorified in both those He saves, and those who perish. My feelings about it make absolutely no difference to Him because I, as a finite being, cannot even come close to understanding the mind of God and I’m good with that. The Bible teaches that we are responsible for the decisions that we make, but God also has sovereignly orchestrated everything according to His will, and not mine. That includes men of old age being saved on their deathbed, and infants never seeing the light of day.

    I am in no way trivializing your loss. I believe whole-heartedly that I have one child in heaven as well, but if I die and find out that I was wrong about that, I’m okay with it because God is absolutely sovereign and His decisions are just and perfect. My love for God doesn’t hinge on where my child is, it hinges on what He has done for Me which was planned before the foundation of the world! He planned out my life, and if He hadn’t of saved me by His will, I would not have sought Him by mine.

    Make no mistake about this one fact as well, and that is that you indeed sin. You can’t not sin even for one day. Jesus said that the greatest commandment, which sums up no less than half of the ten, is that we love the Lord our God with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength. I assure you that as much as you love Him, you have not kept that command. As long as you dwell in that body of corruption, you will never be sinless. You can sin less, but not stop completely. Sin is doing, saying, or thinking something that is contrary to the nature and character of God and only Christ lived life without doing those things. Salvation declares that we are not guilty – it does not say we are innocent.

    Thanks be to God however if you are His child, that in the imputation, your sins were placed on Christ, and He paid the penalty for each and every sin you ever have and will commit. In return, His perfect righteousness was cloaked around you so that now, when God sees you, He sees His Son’s glorious righteousness as it was given to you when He regenerated you, and Christ took up His life again from the grave, arose, testified to at least 500 people, ascended to Heaven, and now intercedes for you while He sits at the right hand of the Father. You are being sanctified daily in preparation of being presented to Christ as the spotless bride at the great wedding feast!

    He did this for those who repent and put their faith in Christ.

    This repentance is also not a self-generated emotion. It is given by God Himself.

    Acts 5:31 “He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. ”

    Repentance also was given by God to the rest of us!!

    Acts 11:18 “When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, ‘Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.'”

    And the repentance that God grants us understanding of the truth.

    2 Tim 2:24-26 “The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.”

    He also gives us our faith, but I’m trusting that you will search that out now if you disagree. (Start at Gen 15:6 and chain reference it all the way to Hebrews first.)

    So Ma’am, if you are believing the questionable and borderline heretical things you are speaking and blogging about because you are trying to make sure your babies are in heaven, you need to stop and read the Bible for what it says concretely which is that God is sovereign, and you will be amply satisfied with His decision. My prayer for you is that you are truly saved and that you will study to show your self approved unto God, a workman who needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth. Until that time, I’m quite sure we will not come to any other agreements.

    Soli Deo Gloria!!

  • Comment by freedomborn — March 3, 2012 @ 10:13 pm

    Hi Bereanwarrior, I feel you made some good points but you are also in much error, first we are not like those who lived in the Old Testament times, Pentecost has come and in Christ Jesus as you can see in the Scripture below we do have understanding of the things of God if you don’t then what you Preach is in error and is just natural man’s understanding which means you lack God’s wisdom.It seems indeed very evident in your reply to me you could not offer any Scripture that refutes if that was possible the Scriptures you are rejecting that I gave you.

    If you are continuing to sin Bereanwarrior you have not been Born again of God’s seed, 1John 3:9 or have you put your evil flesh to death Colossians 3:4-6 or accepted your freedom in Christ Jesus John 8:34-36 and you also do not have the mind of Christ 1 Corinthians 2:16 He does not choose to sin ever, also you are tempted by Temptation which means you are saying God is not faithful Corinthians 10:12-14 and that He is lying when He tells us no Temptation will be too hard for us to resist because He will provide a way out… this means you are also walking in the flesh…Romans 8:1-4

    As for my not having assurance that my Babies are in Heaven, unlike you who doesn’t I have no doubts, because I know the heart of God, He is not a God who sends babies to hell to suffer for eternity because they did not understand about Salvation or because of my sins, God is Love and can do no evil to say He does even to bring good out of it the Scriptures say is slander.

    Lamentations 3: 33 For He doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the Children of men.

    1 Corinthians 2:9-16 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that Love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with Spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are Spiritually discerned. But he that is Spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the Mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? but we have the Mind of Christ.

    Christian Love Anne.

  • Comment by Kindoalkun — March 30, 2012 @ 6:54 pm

    The unbiblical teachings of John Calvin (1509-1564) are referred to commonly as “Calvinism.” John Calvin was a total heretic. All of John Calvin’s religious tenets are FALSE! Calvinism has crept unawares into many of our churches today.

    Calvinism is a subtle set of lies, used by Satan to begat a host of destructive false teachings which corrupt the simplicity of salvation, deny the redemptive work of Christ for all humanity, and deny the free will of men to freely receive or reject God’s gift of eternal life. Calvinism is of the Devil in all it’s aspects. Phooey on John Calvin!

    Many people today have fallen prey to the lies of John Calvin and don’t even realize it. Dr. John MacArthur is one of the most followed religious leaders of our time and is a staunch Calvinist. Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort are followers of John MacArthur’s heresy on Lordship Salvation, which is based upon a wrong view of what repentance means. These men have been corrupted by Calvinism. Lordship Salvation is rooted in Calvinism.

    “Calvinism” is a set of tenets which sinfully conform to the heresies of one man, John Calvin. Mr. Calvin was a heretic who lived centuries ago; yet foolish and ignorant men still follow his heresies today. Calvin taught a bunch of unscriptural ideas, including the satanic lie that God chooses who will be saved, and who won’t. Calvinism is a destructive set of tenets.

    The great Charles Spurgeon (1834-1892) was a one-point Calvinist, admittedly. I believe that Spurgeon succumbed to one of the popular religious views of his time in an attempt to appease peers in the clergy. We see this much today in the religious world, where preachers are tempted to go along to get along. The only explanation is woeful apostasy in our churches! Many pastors are hen-pecked by some apostate pulpit committee. I’ll tell you what brother, it’ll be a cold day in Hell before anyone will ever tell me what to preach or not to preach. I get my sermons from God alone through the teachings of God’s Word in the Bible. Hebrews 1:2 teaches that God Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son. Anyone today who claims to receive private revelations, visions, or dreams from God is a liar. God speaks through the Bible, which is why the world hates Jesus Christ, the Living Word, so much (John 7:7; John 15:19; John 3:20).

    Spurgeon believed in “Limited Atonement,” i.e., the heresy that Jesus only died for those whom He foreknew would be saved. The Bible does not teach that. The Bible plainly states that Christ died for all men (2nd Corinthians 5:15, “…he (Christ) died for all…”). There are many Scriptures which teach that Christ died for THE WORLD (John 3:16, “For God so loved THE WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son…”). The Bible tells us that Jesus died for false prophets (2nd Peter 2:1, “…even denying the Lord that bought them…”). Spurgeon got caught up into the wrong theological crowd (Calvinism) and was somewhat tarnished in his beliefs. Yet, Spurgeon is a brilliant speaker and has left to us treasures of excellent sermons to read.

    Though Spurgeon was a professed Calvinist, he openly condemned Hyper-Calvinism (and he called it that). Hyper-Calvinists are people who reject some of the basic teachings of Calvinism. The Greek word for “hyper” means over or above. Thus, hyper-Calvinists are said to be those who go over and above the teachings of Scripture and have strayed from what Calvin meant and taught. But please understand that Calvin did not correctly teach the Scriptures, so Calvinists are incorrect in their definition of Hyper-Calvinism.

    In researching, I couldn’t find a group of professed believers who call themselves “Hyper-Calvinists.” This is because there are NO groups who call themselves “Hyper-Calvinists.” It is a derogatory term given to them by their critics. So what do they call themselves? “Calvinists,” what else?

    Those who are labeled as “Hyper-Calvinists” by orthodox Calvinists don’t accept the term, because the term accuses them of going over and above the Scriptures in their beliefs. In actuality, both Calvinists and Hyper-Calvinists go over and above what the Scriptures teach. They are all a bunch of misled heretics, who have erred from the faith.

    What we all ought to do is SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES (John 5:39) instead of follow the heretical ideas of John Calvin. The claim that John Calvin is Scriptural is complete and utter nonsense. Anyone who claims that Jesus didn’t die for all men doesn’t know the first thing about the Word of God. John 3:16 evidences that plainly… FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD. Calvin taught that Jesus only died for those who would one day get saved, and that Christ DIDN’T die for Christ-rejecters. That goes against everything that the Bible teaches about the unconditional love of God. Luke 19:10 says that Jesus came to SEEK AND TO SAVE THAT WHICH WAS LOST. That means everyone! Romans 4:5 says that Jesus justifies THE UNGODLY by faith. That means everyone!

    NONE of Calvin’s teachings can be legitimized when the Light of God’s Word is shone upon his works of darkness. Calvin taught 5 main heresies, which Pastor Curtis Hutson refutes.

    Tragically, millions of misguided religious people today are following a modernist John Calvin—whose name is John MacArthur of GRACE TO YOU ministry. In the Afterward written by John MacArthur Jr. for the unscriptural book, THE FIVE POINTS OF CALVINISM: DEFINED, DEFENDED AND DOCUMENTED, MacArthur openly states that he wholeheartedly agrees with the doctrines of John Calvin. John MacArthur is the most prevalent teacher of the heresies of Calvinism today.

    Phil Johnson of is a professed 5 point Calvinist and promoter of John MacArthur…

    Should it be surprising that Dr. MacArthur teaches Lordship Salvation? (i.e., the lie that a sinner must cease from committing sins and surrender one’s life to Christ in order to be saved). MacArthur states in his book, HARD TO BELIEVE, pg. 93:

    “The life we live, not the words we speak, determines our eternal destiny”

    SOURCE: Dr. John MacArthur Jr., HARD TO BELIEVE, pg. 93.

    John MacArthur is very wrong in his teachings. All 5 points of Calvinism are a lie of the Devil. Woe unto those who are deceived by the heresies of John Calvin and John MacArthur!

    God NEVER chooses anyone for salvation. Scriptures such as Acts 17:30 make this abundantly clear (“…but now commandeth all men every where to repent”). Why would God command ALL men to repent if only certain men have been chosen for salvation? There really is NO debate concerning Arminianism, Calvinism, and Hyper-Calvinism if you simply take the Word of God at face value… they’re all messed up!

    The Bible is so clear on all these matters. There are problems with all three views. Arminianism is wrong to teach that a person can lose salvation. Romans 5:15 declares that eternal life is a “FREE GIFT.” A gift CANNOT be taken back if it is freely given. Salvation is God’s gift to man, paid for by the blood of Jesus (Romans 6:23; Colossians 1:14). Calvinism and Hyper-Calvinism teach “limited atonement” and “selective salvation,” which are both Satanic lies. 1st John 2:2 couldn’t be any clearer, “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” Calvinism is unbiblical heresy!

    Jesus told us to SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES in John 5:39. (Who came to earth as the Godhead manifest in the flesh, see Colossians 2:9 and 1st Timothy 3:16, King James Bible).

    I say this not to be unkind; but rather, to speak the truth of God’s Word. Beware of false prophets Jesus said who come to us in sheep’s clothing (Matthew 7:15). The Bible is our false prophet detector.

    Heresy Means “an opinion”

    I said that to say this: we ought to SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES as Jesus told us in John 5:39, and not allow deceived and wicked men to lead us astray in their heresies.

    We’ve all heard the saying: “Everyone has an opinion…” Interestingly, the word “heresy” in the Bible comes from the Greek word hairesis. Here is what VINE’S COMPLETE EXPOSITORY DICTIONARY OF OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT WORDS (Page 303) states concerning the word “hairesis …

    …”a choosing, choice”; (from haireomai, “to choose”) then, “that which is chosen,” and hence, “an opinion,” especially a self-willed opinion, which is substituted for submission to the power of truth, and leads to division and the formation of sects…

    In John 5:39 Jesus commanded His disciples to… SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES!!! It is dangerous to form one’s opinions apart from the Bible. There is no controversy if you believe the Bible! People who express teachings not taught in the Scriptures are guilty of spreading heresy. There are sincere people in every church, who attempt to help others by offering unsought advice. Unfortunately, much of this advice is heresy, even damnable heresy. Any opinion that contradicts the Scriptures is HERESY! Calvinism in all its aspects is of the Devil.

    Luke 6:32—Biblical Proof That God Loves Sinners!

    Calvinism teaches that God doesn’t love Christ-rejecters, and that Jesus didn’t die for them, and that God hates them for it. In sharp contrast, the King James Bible proclaims that God loves all humanity, so much that “while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8).

    Luke 6:32, For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.”

    Is God less righteous than the wicked?

    Read carefully what the Bible says in Luke 6:32, “For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.” God says that if we only love them who love us, what virtue is there? What thank have ye? We read the same truth in Matthew 5:46, “For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?” If God expects us as His children to love those who hate us, then you can rest assure that God does the same my friend.

    God tells us to love our enemies (Romans 12:18-21). Jesus said that we’re no better than unrepentant sinners if we only love those who love us. The world only loves their own (John 15:19). That’s what the wicked do, i.e., only love them who love them back. Now why would God teach us to love those who don’t love us, and then turn around and hate those (as Calvinists claim) that don’t love Him? Luke 6:32 is solid evidence against the foolish lie of John Calvin and those today who claim that God hates sinners. Is God less righteous than the heathen? Certainly not!

    I heard a man once say to Evangelist Ray Comfort in public that “God hates sin, but loves the sinner”; to which Mr. Comfort replied with a question, asking the man where he had read such a thing in the Bible. Luke 6:32 gives us the answer. If God only loves those who love Him, then how is the true God of the Bible any better than the false god of Islam, Allah, who only loves those who love him? How is the God of Christianity any better than the gods of the heathen who only love their worshippers? The God of the universe is much bigger than that!!!

    God loves all mankind, unconditionally, which is why God sent His only begotten Son into the world to SEEK AND TO SAVE THAT WHICH WAS LOST (Luke 19:10). That means everybody! John 3:16, “FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

  • Comment by Angus — March 31, 2012 @ 10:22 pm

    You, sir, are obviously a Hutsonist!

  • Comment by TroyG — April 3, 2012 @ 1:55 am

    I shouldn’t read this at work: people wonder why I’m cackling, in spasms with tears running down my face. They might think I’m into the whole ‘slaying in the Spirit’ malarky.

    This has got to be one of the best on this site – better even than the camel hitched to a buggy under the “What would Jesus drive” campaign.

  • Comment by Stephen Cracknell — April 4, 2012 @ 5:36 am

    @ Kindoalkun. That must be one of the worst critiques of Calvinism I have ever read. Seriously. Initially I thought it was a joke and was waiting for the ‘LOL’! Very poor scholarship, wild and inaccurate generalisations, historical revisionism; errors abound, disturbing self-promotion written with a devisive tone. There is certainly a degree of arrogance and an almost total lack of humility and love evident in this ramble. I regret that you have actually posted this Kindoalkun and advise all those who would like to be acquainted with ‘Calvinism’ to ignore what has written. It does not represent ‘Calvinism’ at all. Excellent critiques abound; start with RC Sproul and Mike Horton to name just 2 men who know their Bibles, and Church History, intelligently and warmly.

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  • Comment by Freedomborn — June 30, 2012 @ 10:50 pm

    Re, Kindoalkun, Sir we felt your defence against the teaching of Calvinism was good in most points, any teaching that claims God does evil or does not Love sinners is in error but Jesus did say go and sin no more and He would not of done so if it was impossible. Some forget He has set us free from the slavery of sin, (John 8:34-36 )and when we are Born again we no longer sin,(see below) we don’t choose to sin because we have the mind of Christ and He does not choose to sin and being perfected in Love means we don’t sin because Love rejects evil.( 1Corinthians 13 ) Salvation is indeed a free gift but we will show we have it as the Scriptures confirm.

    (1John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.)

    God also does not fellowship with sinners, yes He Loves everybody but good and evil are not in Unity. Paul also confirms this in(Romans 6&8)

    (John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth His will, him He heareth.)

    (Psalm 66:18 If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me.)

    I’m sure you will agree with us Kindoalkun God knows all things including those who are His redeemed Children even before we are conceived and He knows us in the flesh when we are. The Scriptures confirm that by His foreknowledge of our heart repentance He chooses us to be conformed into the image of Jesus Christ and Paul tells us as well that before we die we are perfected in God’s Love(1 John 4:17-19)

    One thing that is very important for us to remember is we don’t know anyone’s eternal destiny only God does, they may repent on their death bed, we cannot judge them for this but we can know if they are sinning as you said by their actions but also at times by their words, as they will reflect their heart focus. But we are to Love everyone and witness of the Hope we have in Jesus Christ.

    We don’t reject any Scripture Kindoalkun including the Prophesy that confirms in the end times there will be besides false Miracles and Signs and Wonders genuine ones and having experienced them in our own lives and seen them in others, we have no doubt and we are not Pentecostal nor did we seek them out, God chose to reveal himself to us Miraculously through both these ways. God’s Children will also Prophesy by The Holy Spirits empowering, we are not to put God in a box of our own understanding, He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

    If wanted Kindoalkun, we will share with you again in regard to Spurgeon and other Theologians of the past but we remember there is only one way we can understand God’s Truth and that is with His wisdom by the empowering of The Holy Spirit (1Corinthins2:9-16)

    Kind regards from both of us.

  • Comment by Bereanwarrior — July 4, 2012 @ 11:42 pm

    If God is not sovereign, then He is not God.

    There is nothing further to say than that really, but…

    Unless you rip the first chapter of Ephesians, 1st and 2nd Peter, Galatians, John… okay, most of the New Testament out of your Bible, you have no way of defending an arminian viewpoint.

    If you want to stand before God and tell Him that you had anything to do with your salvation, then by all means, kick against the goads.

    Somehow, I don’t believe that you will hold that position any longer when you see God in all His glory, and see how you have none what-so-ever outside of what He Himself clothes you in.


  • Comment by Dominic Stockford — July 9, 2012 @ 4:25 am

    In 1552 an obscure English Christian called Thomas Cranmer wrote:

    “Almighty and most merciful Father; we have erred and strayed from they ways like lost sheep. We have followed too much the devices and desires of our own hearts. We have offended against they holy laws. We have left undone those things which we ought to have done; and we have done those things which we ought not to have done; and there is no health in us. But thou, O Lord, have mercy upon us, miserable offenders. Spare thou them, O God, which confess their faults. Restore thou them that are penitent; according to thy promises declared unto mankind in Christ Jesu our Lord.”

    Calvin thought Cranmer was an old softy, and Cranmer was very clear – it is God who has mercy upon us, who brings us to salvation, because we cannot in any way bring ourselves there. All these years later people are STILL ignoring the Bible evidence and the wise words of brothers in Christ like Cranmer, and claiming some part in their own salvation. It’s a good thing he is indeed a patient God!

  • Comment by Freedomborn — July 26, 2012 @ 11:19 pm

    If Bereanwarrior you are referring to Freedomborn and who knows you don’t give a name, we don’t accept any man made title regardless if we agree with some of it’s doctrine that fits into that slot, and we do not agree with any man made doctrine as you will soon see…..

    What we share is God’s Truth not man’s worldly fleshy, wisdom understanding, reason and logic, which is often presented because God’s Wisdom has not been sought after and received, so sadly what is often taught is not confirmed by The empowering of The Holy Spirit through Scripture as He gives us revelation 1Corinthians2:1-16(9-16)……

    We agree 100% that Salvation is a free gift we cannot earn it but we will show we have it as the Scriptures affirm ( see Scripture below)…..

    1 John 3:9 No one who is Born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has Been born of God…….

    1 John 5:18-20 We know that no one who is Born of God sins; but He who was Born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him. We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life……

    The Scriptures also tell us the Devil is in control of this World meaning all evil and those who do evil, God does not do evil, to say He does contradicts Scripture, He is Love and Love does no evil 1 Corinthians 13 and 1 Galations 5, He does not cause us to be afflicted or have hardship ( see Scripture below ) to do so would conflict with His Devine Loving Nature, that seeks to forgive and rescue, protect and strengthen., equip and heal all good things come from God and all He created was good and so is all He does……

    Lamentations 3:33 For He doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men……

    Isaiah 43:1-3 – Do not be afraid, for I have ransomed you. I have called you by name; you are mine. When you go through deep waters and great trouble, I will be with you. When you go through rivers of difficulty, you will not drown! When you walk through the fire of oppression, you will not be burned up; the flames will not consume you. For I am the LORD, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Saviour.”…….

    Jeremiah 29 :11-12 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope…….

    Psalm 46:1-3 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah……

    Psalm 121:1 I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help. My help cometh from the Lord, which made Heaven and earth. He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: He that keepeth thee will not slumber. Behold, He that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. The Lord is thy keeper: the Lord is thy shade upon thy right hand. The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night. The Lord shall preserve thee from all evil: He shall preserve thy soul. The Lord shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore…….

    Psalm 107:16-18 For he hath broken the gates of brass, and cut the bars of iron in sunder. Fools because of their transgression, and because of their iniquities, are afflicted…….

    Proverbs 10:20-22 The tongue of the just is as choice silver: the heart of the wicked is little worth. The lips of the righteous feed many: but fools die for want of wisdom. The blessing of the Lord, it maketh rich, and He addeth no sorrow with it……

    Christian Love from both of us.

  • Comment by regularsandwicheatingwoman — July 27, 2012 @ 7:58 am

    @ Freedomborn and Kindoalkun: As regards whether GENUINE regenerate (born again) believers (as opposed to false converts)continue to sin or not,following convertion, BOTH are true to the extent that there is an element of truth in both.
    True, 1 John 3:6 says “No-one who lives in him keeps on sinning.” The Lordship Salvationists are right to say therefore that a changed life of obedience is evidence that your repentance and conversion were genuine, whereas a life marked by CONTINUAL sin, suggests there was no inward change of heart and mind, ie you were never saved in the first place.
    Whoever has my commands AND OBEYS THEM, he is the one who loves me. (John 14:21)
    I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.(Acts 26:20)
    Faith by itself, if not accompanied by action is dead.(James 2:17)
    By their fruit you will recognise them. (Matthew 7:20)

    On the other hand, genuine believers DO continue to sin, because we are fallen and will not be perfect till Christ comes again. (Heb 11:40) Most of Romans 7 explains our ongoing battle with sin, even after conversion. “For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do…it is sin living in me. (Rom 7:15-17)
    If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just,and will forgive our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:8-10) – Note, this is addressed to BELIEVERS,not to those outside the faith, so is ongoing.

    We all sin everyday, even the best Christians, because we are none of us perfect, and none of us give God the full glory he deserves. BUT, genuine Chritians will want to please and obey their commanding officer (2 Tim 2:4) by putting to death whatever belongs to the earthly nature. (Colossians 3:5)
    Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. (Romans 6:12)

  • Comment by regularsandwicheatingenglishwoman — July 27, 2012 @ 8:47 am

    @ Freedomborn: You say “He does not cause us to be afflicted or have hardship” (because he is loving.) This is not true: God does sometimes allow affliction and hardship to shape and refine us for our ultimate good:

    “My son,do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
    and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
    because the Lord disciplines those he loves,
    and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son.”
    Endure hardship as a discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline),then you are illegitimate children and not true sons. Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live! Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best;but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness.No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but PAINFUL. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it. (HEBREWS 12:5-11)

    “In this world you will have trouble.” (John 16;33) In fact, the whole of John 14-17 shows how belivers are not protected from trouble and difficulties: “If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also.” (John 15:20)

    Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,… who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves have received from God. For just as the sufferings of Christ flow over into our lives,so also through Christ our comfort overflows. (2 Cor 1:3-5)

  • Comment by Bereanwarrior — July 28, 2012 @ 5:21 pm

    Freedomborn / Anne,

    What more can be said that hasn’t been said already? You appeal to the “Holy Spirit” in your defense, but from what you’ve said previously, I would have to conclude that you are blaspheming the Holy Spirit by claiming He reveals to you the aberrant teaching you have posted here and on your blog site.

    I do not need you to accept anything that I’m telling you, nor do I need defend Scripture to you any further. I will simply warn you one last time that you are way out of line with your reasoning, and that not one thing goes on in this world that God didn’t ordain to His glory. God will receive all the glory in both the elect’s salvation AND in the righteous condemnation of those who are eternally damned.

    Your personal experience does not trump the Bible and it’s clear teachings on how a man is saved.

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