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	<title>Comments on: Things I Don&#8217;t Want To Hear Behind Me in Church</title>
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		<title>By: Just saying . . .</title>
		<link>http://sacredsandwich.com/archives/1388/comment-page-2#comment-6097</link>
		<dc:creator>Just saying . . .</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To nursing mothers, have you considered using a breast pump and filling a couple of bottles with your breast milk to take with you to church? This way you could still feed the baby with your milk while in church?</description>
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		<title>By: Nishoni</title>
		<link>http://sacredsandwich.com/archives/1388/comment-page-2#comment-6036</link>
		<dc:creator>Nishoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 01:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we were sitting in church when two old women, very hard of hearing, were sitting behind us. The first, thinking she was whispering, loudly said, &quot;It&#039;s cold in here&quot;. The pastor was preaching on Hell and made a statement that if you don&#039;t get saved, you will end up there. The second women turned to the first and said, &quot;Well at least it&#039;s warm there!&quot; I had a hard time not laughing until my husband gave me a dirty look and said it is not funny, which it&#039;s not. Too many people are on their way to Hell and do not care. It&#039;s so sad.

Also... I tried breastfeeding my baby in church, and was approached by a 69 year old woman afterwards who told me, &quot;I know she&#039;s under a blanket and you are very discreet, and probably no one else knows what is going on, but I know you are nursing that baby under there, and church is not the place for that.&quot; I was very upset, but my husband, the assistant pastor at the time, told me not to let it bother me, and that there was nothing wrong with it as long as I was modest. He did tell me however thaat  the the Bible says, &quot;If meat causes my brother to offend, I will abstain...&quot;. He had me go to a office and nurse the baby from then on. I often wonderedd what was the use in even attending since I could not hear or see the preacher and my infant nursed for 45 minutes at a shot and always chose to start at the beginning of the preaching!!! I praised GOD when the church purchased hearing assistants for the elderly (it&#039;s battery powered earphones that are tapped into the pa system.) I was then able to hear the message too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we were sitting in church when two old women, very hard of hearing, were sitting behind us. The first, thinking she was whispering, loudly said, &#8220;It&#8217;s cold in here&#8221;. The pastor was preaching on Hell and made a statement that if you don&#8217;t get saved, you will end up there. The second women turned to the first and said, &#8220;Well at least it&#8217;s warm there!&#8221; I had a hard time not laughing until my husband gave me a dirty look and said it is not funny, which it&#8217;s not. Too many people are on their way to Hell and do not care. It&#8217;s so sad.</p>
<p>Also&#8230; I tried breastfeeding my baby in church, and was approached by a 69 year old woman afterwards who told me, &#8220;I know she&#8217;s under a blanket and you are very discreet, and probably no one else knows what is going on, but I know you are nursing that baby under there, and church is not the place for that.&#8221; I was very upset, but my husband, the assistant pastor at the time, told me not to let it bother me, and that there was nothing wrong with it as long as I was modest. He did tell me however thaat  the the Bible says, &#8220;If meat causes my brother to offend, I will abstain&#8230;&#8221;. He had me go to a office and nurse the baby from then on. I often wonderedd what was the use in even attending since I could not hear or see the preacher and my infant nursed for 45 minutes at a shot and always chose to start at the beginning of the preaching!!! I praised GOD when the church purchased hearing assistants for the elderly (it&#8217;s battery powered earphones that are tapped into the pa system.) I was then able to hear the message too!</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://sacredsandwich.com/archives/1388/comment-page-2#comment-5928</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... I enjoyed this article... but at the same time, I found it quite a drag reading through alot of the comments. Sure, it&#039;s annoying when people are talking during the sermon etc. etc. but I don&#039;t think it justifies us venting in their general direction.
I find the harder I engage with a sermon (eg. taking notes, trying to align the pastor&#039;s talk with the passage, trying to understand how I would explain the passage to someone else) the less distracted I am by anything else that happens in the auditorium/room/etc.

Rather than venting, if you&#039;re feeling frustrated, how about considering how you are engaging with the talk. If you&#039;re being quite attentive, why not chat with people after church about the talk? If you&#039;re actually getting something out of the talks, and talk about how the talks are actually challenging/helping/interesting to you, then it stands as an example to others - hot coals and the like.

Further - if people aren&#039;t engaging with the service - could there be reasons why they are engaging? Perhaps taking some time to chat with them about what&#039;s going on in their lives might be helpful.
And why not simply ask if they could (at a suitable time) not talk/etc. during the sermon/talk? How do they know they are distracting others unless they are told?



@ Xtreme : Thanks for picking up on Overboardbriggs comment! I read it and shuddered. It puzzles me how people attempt to justify their own church practices by looking at Acts out of context... Often elevating the infant church of Acts to a place of perfection (note - the perfect church won&#039;t be until Christ returns). Certainly, there are many things that we can learn from the book of Acts, but to attempt to make church practices prescriptive, from simply an account of what they were doing is unjustified. I heard one preacher, several years ago, further use the transfiguration as an example of how the Bible is against traditional institutionalism... and went on to prescribe the Acts&#039; home churches as the perfect form.
What we are encouraged to do is to be meeting together, and gathering around God&#039;s word. The church I am involved with does this on a large scale (meeting in lecture theaters and the like) on a Sunday, and in small home groups (Bible Studies) during the week. The church perceived that with a large congregation it is hard to take care of all those people and ensure they are being looked after, and so made the home groups quite core to the ministry to ensure that people are building close, personal relationships in the church, and aren&#039;t being isolated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; I enjoyed this article&#8230; but at the same time, I found it quite a drag reading through alot of the comments. Sure, it&#8217;s annoying when people are talking during the sermon etc. etc. but I don&#8217;t think it justifies us venting in their general direction.<br />
I find the harder I engage with a sermon (eg. taking notes, trying to align the pastor&#8217;s talk with the passage, trying to understand how I would explain the passage to someone else) the less distracted I am by anything else that happens in the auditorium/room/etc.</p>
<p>Rather than venting, if you&#8217;re feeling frustrated, how about considering how you are engaging with the talk. If you&#8217;re being quite attentive, why not chat with people after church about the talk? If you&#8217;re actually getting something out of the talks, and talk about how the talks are actually challenging/helping/interesting to you, then it stands as an example to others &#8211; hot coals and the like.</p>
<p>Further &#8211; if people aren&#8217;t engaging with the service &#8211; could there be reasons why they are engaging? Perhaps taking some time to chat with them about what&#8217;s going on in their lives might be helpful.<br />
And why not simply ask if they could (at a suitable time) not talk/etc. during the sermon/talk? How do they know they are distracting others unless they are told?</p>
<p>@ Xtreme : Thanks for picking up on Overboardbriggs comment! I read it and shuddered. It puzzles me how people attempt to justify their own church practices by looking at Acts out of context&#8230; Often elevating the infant church of Acts to a place of perfection (note &#8211; the perfect church won&#8217;t be until Christ returns). Certainly, there are many things that we can learn from the book of Acts, but to attempt to make church practices prescriptive, from simply an account of what they were doing is unjustified. I heard one preacher, several years ago, further use the transfiguration as an example of how the Bible is against traditional institutionalism&#8230; and went on to prescribe the Acts&#8217; home churches as the perfect form.<br />
What we are encouraged to do is to be meeting together, and gathering around God&#8217;s word. The church I am involved with does this on a large scale (meeting in lecture theaters and the like) on a Sunday, and in small home groups (Bible Studies) during the week. The church perceived that with a large congregation it is hard to take care of all those people and ensure they are being looked after, and so made the home groups quite core to the ministry to ensure that people are building close, personal relationships in the church, and aren&#8217;t being isolated.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://sacredsandwich.com/archives/1388/comment-page-2#comment-5898</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 03:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;d prefer most of these over the gum-clicking person that somehow always winds up behind me..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;d prefer most of these over the gum-clicking person that somehow always winds up behind me..</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://sacredsandwich.com/archives/1388/comment-page-2#comment-5471</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just stumbled upon The Sacred Sandwich today, and am enjoying it immensely... but I do have an issue with the reader comments about nursing mothers. 
I always nurse in church... my baby&#039;s gotta eat, and I&#039;ve gotta hear the Word of God. If there was a &#039;cry room&#039;, I&#039;d use it. I am very discrete, and make sure the Pastor or anyone at the pulpit can&#039;t see me (often I sit on the floor up the back, with my back turned - which is completely acceptable in the Asian culture I live in as a missionary). 
If you don&#039;t want mothers nursing in the service, then provide them with a room - and make sure they can hear the sermon. Mum&#039;s deserve the learn from God&#039;s Word, too. What&#039;s the point of being at church if you get penalized for feeding your baby in the manner that God intended???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just stumbled upon The Sacred Sandwich today, and am enjoying it immensely&#8230; but I do have an issue with the reader comments about nursing mothers.<br />
I always nurse in church&#8230; my baby&#8217;s gotta eat, and I&#8217;ve gotta hear the Word of God. If there was a &#8216;cry room&#8217;, I&#8217;d use it. I am very discrete, and make sure the Pastor or anyone at the pulpit can&#8217;t see me (often I sit on the floor up the back, with my back turned &#8211; which is completely acceptable in the Asian culture I live in as a missionary).<br />
If you don&#8217;t want mothers nursing in the service, then provide them with a room &#8211; and make sure they can hear the sermon. Mum&#8217;s deserve the learn from God&#8217;s Word, too. What&#8217;s the point of being at church if you get penalized for feeding your baby in the manner that God intended???</p>
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		<title>By: Siobhan &#38; Evelyn</title>
		<link>http://sacredsandwich.com/archives/1388/comment-page-2#comment-4980</link>
		<dc:creator>Siobhan &#38; Evelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 05:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea!  Hey What is with the nail trimming?  

I sit in the front so I am not tempted to watch all the weirdness goin&#039; down...so I can focus on the message.

But my frineds will fill me in with all the weirdness...and nail trimming and the kissing of lips of parents and adult children...ohhhh yea, much fun and very distracting.  

I ask &#039;what did you think about the sermon?&#039; andswer &#039;wasn&#039;t too long.&#039;

great.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea!  Hey What is with the nail trimming?  </p>
<p>I sit in the front so I am not tempted to watch all the weirdness goin&#8217; down&#8230;so I can focus on the message.</p>
<p>But my frineds will fill me in with all the weirdness&#8230;and nail trimming and the kissing of lips of parents and adult children&#8230;ohhhh yea, much fun and very distracting.  </p>
<p>I ask &#8216;what did you think about the sermon?&#8217; andswer &#8216;wasn&#8217;t too long.&#8217;</p>
<p>great&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
		<link>http://sacredsandwich.com/archives/1388/comment-page-2#comment-4744</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this sniping and judgmentalism is the reason a lot of people don&#039;t go to any church, emergent, seeker sensitive or full of self-righteous people whose biggest phobia is anything that doesn&#039;t line up with their own ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this sniping and judgmentalism is the reason a lot of people don&#8217;t go to any church, emergent, seeker sensitive or full of self-righteous people whose biggest phobia is anything that doesn&#8217;t line up with their own ideas.</p>
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